The Latest Episode: As the Progesterone Rises

I love this photo of iPup Tristan and Sparkler Kiri — thank you, Alison!

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I have yet another breeding update/insight: Labs can differ.

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When progesterone is drawn by my vet, I drive the blood over to the human hospital lab for testing.

I had two progesterones done 500+ miles away from home and those were run by a veterinary lab. Both times the results were lower than expected/desired and created significant concerns. In fact, I drove home on Christmas because of the unfortunate 2.3 value (collected on 12/24) — only to turn around and drive back 500+ miles the next morning because the value was 17.

Could the value really have been 2.3 — down from 2.8 the same time of day 24-hours before? Of course.

After all, the 2.8 was slightly down from 3.2, although the blood was drawn at different times of day and the values were close enough to call it a bit of a “stall” — a drop of almost an entire point looked less like a stall and more like an anovulatory cycle, and so I drove home.

BUT the progesterone of 17 from the human hospital lab 46 hours later sent me racing back — good thing I had not unpacked and the weather was cooperative.

We tested again 23-hours later using the outside veterinary lab — once again results showed a drop in progesterone when it (progesterone) should have been rising.

12/26 at home: 17

12/27 (23 hours later and outside lab): 13.7

Crapola.

The three natural breedings had gone well — no issues there. But a dropping progesterone was a bad sign. I drove home worried, as you might imagine.

BUT 21 hours after we got that 13.7 from the outside lab, our home lab reported a progesterone of 33!!!

If you remove the outside lab values, the progesterone looks like this:

Day 7: .46

Day 8: .59

Day 9: Not Done

Day 10: 3.23

Day 11: 2.8

Day 12: Outside Lab (BRED)

Day 13: Not Done (Christmas)

Day 14: 17 (BRED)

Day 15: Outside Lab (BRED)

Day 16: 33

Adding in the Outside Lab values changed the picture, adding in worry (and over 1,000 miles of driving). When we look at the values from the same (human hospital) lab, the picture is much more cheerful and promising.

There is no way to know if there are validity issues (accuracy) at the outside lab or if there are reliability issues between the two labs.

Perhaps travel impacted values, although that doesn’t make sense since there was travel all over the place (literally!) since we started testing.

Perhaps Sparkle’s progesterone really did those gyrations. No way to know.

It is, however, concerning and puzzling — and reminds me of the importance of both validity and reliability of results when so much is on the line. In the future, I will ask for blood to be sent to two different labs when testing progesterone away from home at critical times in a breeding cycle.

What we do know is that we had great timing for three natural breedings — the rest is up to the Lucky Socks.

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You Won't Believe This (...or maybe you will, knowing me)

In our last episode I had raced home from Salt Lake City in time to get a Sunday evening progesterone; it was 3.23 and trending up.

On Monday morning I stopped at the vet’s for another progesterone before Sparkle and I started the 500+ mile drive to her intended.

Halfway there, the veterinarian called. The progesterone was down to 2.8.

Wait, what?!

We decided this could just be a stall of sorts and so I kept driving, arriving late and checking into the hotel.

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On Tuesday morning — Christmas Eve — I went to a local vet for a progesterone and then Sparkle and her intended commenced the production of Sparklers 2.0.

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And the progesterone came back at 2.3!

Dropping when it should be rising — a very Bad Sign indeed. We needed it to hit 4.5 - 5.0 for ovulation to occur.

3.2; 2.8; 2.3.

Oh Dear.

On Christmas Eve.

I sat in my hotel feeling sad and discouraged.

That evening I watched It’s a Wonderful Life in coordination with Dear Husband and some of the kids and was reminded that there were worse things than a dog who isn’t ovulating. Like an angel not getting his wings, for example!

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I woke up on Christmas — and having done some research and talked to the tech who works with my vet — knew that chances were this was not going to end well. Therefore, I decided to head home — it was Christmas, after all.

Further, I figured that driving 500+ miles home was the best way to nudge that progesterone up — if I stayed and tested there, certainly it would stay low. Yes, this is very logical thinking.

And so I drove 500+ miles home on Christmas and surprised Dear Husband.

The next morning (yesterday) I got up and took Sparkle to our vet for yet another progesterone. I then went and got the ingredients for soup that I usually made on Christmas Eve, and headed home.

I bet you know where this is going.

Two minutes from home the vet called: SEVENTEEN. None of us could believe it. In 48 hours she went from a trending down 2.3 to 17.

We got the Christmas Miracle!

I threw the grocery bags at Dear Husband, grabbed my suitcase that I had not even had time to unpack, and drove back 500+ miles.

Another successful Sparklers 2.0 production effort ensued. The encore will be this morning and then I will drive back home — again.

Christmas Craziness indeed.

While I was/am doing all that driving, iPup Ava was enjoying her Holiday…

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…with her nephew, Zimmer (Sparkler) and her wonderful human family.

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Heidi Heidi from the H Moon Litter made sure Santa only delivered and did not try to swipe one of her K-Kids!

Is that a TOOTHBRUSH in that stash?! Well-played, Parents.

Is that a TOOTHBRUSH in that stash?! Well-played, Parents.

Put on those extra Lucky Socks today — and have yourself a Merry Little (extended) Christmas.

Driving and Data

Breeding dogs — well — seems like it would be so easy.

It is not.

Dear Husband and I left Salt Lake City early yesterday in order to make it to our vet over 500 miles away before they closed so that we could have the same lab run Sparkle’s latest progesterone test.

Would I have preferred to stay longer with the family? Of course.

Headband by a member of our Berner community, Carrie; the link to her shop is HERE.

Headband by a member of our Berner community, Carrie; the link to her shop is HERE.

But this breeding also matters to me — a lot. And so we drove back to Montana to help maximize success in yet another small but important way — having the same lab run the progesterone to ensure reliability of results.

We made it.

“Where are my cookies?!”

“Where are my cookies?!”

Conventional breeding “wisdom” says that ovulation occurs at about 5.0 and then the eggs need to mature for a day or two — and so you start breeding a day or two after you see 5.

But I have traditionally used a more research-based approach, breeding three days after the girl hits a number between about 1.0 - 2.0 (see, for example, this article). When I have not followed my “read” of the research, things have not gone well.

This time, I am sticking to my guns: Sparkle needs to be bred three days after her progesterone is between 1.0 and 2.0. I do not care what the values are after that — the range between 1.0 and 2.0 is what starts the clock.

Ponder this chart of data — the numbers in the table are progesterone results.

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When do you believe Sparkle should be bred?